{"id":5150,"date":"2023-06-12T18:11:38","date_gmt":"2023-06-12T17:11:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/?p=5150"},"modified":"2024-02-06T10:23:16","modified_gmt":"2024-02-06T10:23:16","slug":"winners-english-football-clubs-dynasties","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/winners-english-football-clubs-dynasties\/","title":{"rendered":"Sporting GOATs #2 &#8211; Are Man City now a Dynasty?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Manchester City have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/sport\/football\/65845807\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">won the Champions League at long last after beating Inter Milan 1-0 in Istanbul<\/a>.\u00a0 They become the 6th English club to reach the summit of the European club landscape and it their 17th trophy in 13 years.\u00a0 Does that mean we can now call Man City a Dynasty comparable to the two undisputed dynasties of Liverpool in the 70s &amp; 80s and Manchester United in the 90s &amp; 00s?\u00a0 I am sure Man City fans will say yes but I say not yet.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>Where to find the data used in this article<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<p>I recommend you download and open this spreadsheet which lists all trophy winners in English Club Football (Men&#8217;s) from 1889 to 2023.\u00a0 An explanation of <a href=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/winners-english-football-clubs-mens\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">how to use this spreadsheet can be found here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #993300;\" href=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/English-Club-Records-Football-Men-2023-v1.1.xlsx\">English Club Records &#8211; Football &#8211; Men &#8211; 2023 &#8211; v1.1<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>There is a worksheet called <strong>DYNASTY<\/strong> that contains all the tables and graphics shown in this article.\u00a0 On the <strong>DATA1889-2023ENGLAND<\/strong> worksheet, if you enter a team&#8217;s name in the yellow cell <strong>A1<\/strong>, that team will be highlighted throughout that sheet which is a useful visual way of seeing how dominant a team is.<\/p>\n<h5><strong><span style=\"color: #008000;\">What is a Dynasty?<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>My simple definition is <strong>a club becomes a dynasty if it is dominant for at least a decade or more<\/strong>.\u00a0 That definition is easy to say but I need to go further and define the following two terms in more detail &#8211;<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>Timescale<\/strong> &#8211; When did the dynasty start and end and does that span at least 10 years?<\/li>\n<li><strong>Dominance<\/strong> &#8211; What does it mean when we say a team is dominating the club football landscape?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h5><strong><span style=\"color: #008000;\">What is a Dynasty? &#8211; Timescale<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n<p>By looking at the undisputed Liverpool and Man Utd dynasties in more detail (see next 2 sections), I noticed the following definition of Timescale seemed to work.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The Dynasty starts in the season when the team wins the League or Champions League following a period when it was not dynastic.<\/li>\n<li>The Dynasty ends in the season before the season when the team does not win a trophy AND finishes outside the top 4 places in the league.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This means once a Dynasty starts, it continues provided the club wins a trophy or finishes in the top 4.\u00a0 As can be seen in the next sections, the Liverpool Dynasty began in 1973 when Liverpool won the League (&amp; the UEFA Cup).\u00a0 It ended in 1992 because in 1993, Liverpool did not win a trophy and finished outside the top 4 in the Premier League.\u00a0 1993 saw the start of the Man Utd dynasty when they won the league and it ended in 2013 since they failed to win a trophy in 2014 and finished outside the Top 4.<\/p>\n<p>Man City won their first title in 2012 and have won a trophy or finished in the Top 4 in every year since 2012.\u00a0 Since that timescale exceeds 10 years, I regard it as a Dynasty but is Man City&#8217;s dynasty as dominant as Liverpool&#8217;s &amp; Man Utd&#8217;s?<\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>The Liverpool Dynasty 1973-1992<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<p>In the spreadsheet I linked to above on the <strong>DATA1889-2023ENGLAND<\/strong> sheet, you will see something like this if you enter <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Liverpool<\/strong><\/span> in cell <strong>A1<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5153\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-Record.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1472\" height=\"556\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-Record.png 1472w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-Record-300x113.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-Record-1024x387.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-Record-768x290.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-Record-450x170.png 450w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-Record-1320x499.png 1320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1472px) 100vw, 1472px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>If we count the number of trophies won in these <strong>20<\/strong> years by Liverpool and other clubs, there is no question Liverpool dominated this era with <strong>25<\/strong> trophies, <strong>15<\/strong> of which were summits of League titles or European Cups (as the Champions League was called back then).\u00a0 A way I like to put the <strong>25<\/strong> trophies into context is to ask how many trophies could Liverpool have won in those <strong>20<\/strong> years?\u00a0 The answer is <strong>75<\/strong> which comes from <strong>3<\/strong> domestic trophies each year plus <strong>1<\/strong> European trophy <strong>LESS<\/strong> the 5 years from 1986 to 1990 when English clubs were banned from Europe meaning Liverpool could not compete for a 4th trophy.\u00a0 That means Liverpool won <strong>1 in 3<\/strong> of the trophies they competed in over a 20 year period which is true dominance.<\/p>\n<p><em>Note &#8211; the points column in the table below uses 3pts for winning a trophy and 1 point for a runner up place.\u00a0 These points are doubled to 6 &amp; 2 for the Summit trophies (League &amp; Champions League) where I also award 1 point for 3rd\/4th place in league or semi final in Champions League.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5165\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1127\" height=\"251\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992.png 1127w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-300x67.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-1024x228.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-768x171.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Liverpool-1973-1992-450x100.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1127px) 100vw, 1127px\" \/><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>The Man Utd Dynasty 1993-2013<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<p>Unlike Liverpool, <strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Man Utd<\/span><\/strong> won<strong> 3<\/strong> cups in the <strong>3<\/strong> years prior to the start of the dynasty in 1993 so a case can be made to say the dynasty begin in 1990 instead.\u00a0 However, I think dynasties are ultimately marked by reaching the summit so I am comfortable with using 1993 as the starting point.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5156\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-Record.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1472\" height=\"598\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-Record.png 1472w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-Record-300x122.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-Record-1024x416.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-Record-768x312.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-Record-450x183.png 450w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-Record-1320x536.png 1320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1472px) 100vw, 1472px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Over the <strong>21<\/strong> year dynastic timescale, Man Utd won <strong>22<\/strong> trophies of which <strong>15<\/strong> were summits.\u00a0 In theory, Man Utd could have won <strong>84<\/strong> trophies so that means they won <strong>26%<\/strong> of the available trophies.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5164\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1127\" height=\"246\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013.png 1127w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-300x65.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-1024x224.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-768x168.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-Utd-1993-2013-450x98.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1127px) 100vw, 1127px\" \/><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>The Arsenal Dynasty 1998-2017<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<p>This one will surprise people but Arsenal meet my definition of a dynastic timescale of at least <strong>10<\/strong> years because they won a trophy or finished in the top 4 for a <strong>20<\/strong> year period starting with their league title in 1998.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5154\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-Record.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1472\" height=\"535\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-Record.png 1472w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-Record-300x109.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-Record-1024x372.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-Record-768x279.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-Record-450x164.png 450w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-Record-1320x480.png 1320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1472px) 100vw, 1472px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>However, unlike Liverpool and Man Utd, Arsenal did not dominate this 20 year period.\u00a0 Both Man Utd and Chelsea won more trophies than Arsenal.\u00a0 Out of <strong>80<\/strong> possible trophies, Arsenal won only <strong>10<\/strong> including <strong>3<\/strong> summits, a trophy winning rate of <strong>1 in 8<\/strong> which is half of Man Utd&#8217;s.\u00a0 The value of this Arsenal dynastic period is that it allows me to define dominance later on.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5161\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1127\" height=\"231\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017.png 1127w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-300x61.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-1024x210.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-768x157.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Arsenal-1998-2017-450x92.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1127px) 100vw, 1127px\" \/><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>The Chelsea Dynasty 2005-2015<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<p>One reason why Arsenal did not dominate their 20 year timescale is that it overlapped with Chelsea&#8217;s <strong>11<\/strong> year dynasty which began in 2005 with their 1st league title in 50 years and ended in 2016 when they failed to win a trophy and finished outside of the top 4.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5155\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-Record.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1472\" height=\"640\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-Record.png 1472w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-Record-300x130.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-Record-1024x445.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-Record-768x334.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-Record-450x196.png 450w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-Record-1320x574.png 1320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1472px) 100vw, 1472px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Chelsea trophy winning years actually span a longer period from <strong>1997<\/strong> to <strong>2021<\/strong> but they were not dominant before and after their <strong>11<\/strong> year dynastic timescale.\u00a0 During these <strong>11<\/strong> years, they won <strong>13<\/strong> out of <strong>44<\/strong> possible trophies which at <strong>30%<\/strong> is a higher rate of trophy winning than Man Utd&#8217;s but lower than Liverpool&#8217;s.\u00a0 However, Man Utd reached the summit <strong>6<\/strong> times to Chelsea&#8217;s <strong>5<\/strong> so this indicates that Chelsea were not completely dominant in the way Man Utd &amp; Liverpool were.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5162\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1127\" height=\"188\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015.png 1127w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-300x50.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-1024x171.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-768x128.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Chelsea-2005-2015-450x75.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1127px) 100vw, 1127px\" \/><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #00ccff;\"><strong>The Man City Dynasty 2012-2023<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<p>Since 2012, there is no question Man City are the dominant team in English (Men&#8217;s) Club Football and the dynastic timescale is not over yet.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5157\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-Record.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1472\" height=\"367\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-Record.png 1472w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-Record-300x75.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-Record-1024x255.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-Record-768x191.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-Record-450x112.png 450w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-Record-1320x329.png 1320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1472px) 100vw, 1472px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Only Chelsea have come close with <strong>9<\/strong> trophies to Man City&#8217;s<strong> 16<\/strong> but Man City have reached the summit <strong>8<\/strong> times to Chelsea&#8217;s <strong>4<\/strong>.\u00a0 However, Chelsea have won the Champions League twice to Man City only triumph at the weekend and they&#8217;ve also won the Europa League twice in that period.\u00a0 So Chelsea fans might concede that Man City are dominant in England but they are not yet as dominant as Chelsea in Europe.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5163\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1127\" height=\"208\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023.png 1127w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-300x55.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-1024x189.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-768x142.png 768w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Man-City-2012-2023-450x83.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1127px) 100vw, 1127px\" \/><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>What is a Dynasty? &#8211; Dominance<\/strong><\/span><\/h5>\n<p>These are the only clubs that meet my definition of a dynastic timescale lasting at least 10 years but I think you can see there is a difference in how dominant they were.\u00a0 Having reviewed all five dynasties, I have arrived at this <strong>3-point<\/strong> definition of <strong>Dominance<\/strong> to go with my <strong>Timescale<\/strong> definition.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-5158 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Definitions.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"620\" height=\"208\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Definitions.png 620w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Definitions-300x101.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Definitions-450x151.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Given it is a 3-point definition, it was natural for me to treat each point as a <strong>Dynasty Star<\/strong>.\u00a0 That means each of the five dynasties can be given between <strong>0<\/strong> &amp; <strong>3<\/strong> Stars as I have done below.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-5159 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Star-Ratings.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"669\" height=\"203\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Star-Ratings.png 669w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Star-Ratings-300x91.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-Star-Ratings-450x137.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 669px) 100vw, 669px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>In effect, I automatically regarded the Liverpool and Man Utd dynasties as <strong>3-star<\/strong> Dynasties.\u00a0 Both won more than <strong>half<\/strong> of the league titles in their timescales and at least a <strong>quarter<\/strong> of the trophies they competed for.\u00a0 Both have also won the Champions League at least <strong>twice<\/strong> and I do think a dynasty should be able to do this.\u00a0 Lots of teams win it once but twice indicates a pedigree that dynasties should have in my mind.<\/p>\n<p>This is why I regard Man City&#8217;s dynasty as a <strong>2-star<\/strong> dynasty instead of 3-star.\u00a0 They are matching Liverpool for Title &amp; Trophy Dominance but they need to win the Champions League again to achieve the 3rd star.<\/p>\n<p>At the other end, it was easy for me to say Arsenal&#8217;s dynasty had <strong>zero stars.<\/strong>\u00a0 Chelsea are more interesting since they matched Man City &amp; Liverpool for trophy dominance but their problem was dominating the summits which is why I mark them as <strong>1-star<\/strong>.\u00a0 Interesting, if I could ignore 2016 (when they fell out of the top 4 and didn&#8217;t win a trophy) and extend the dynastic timescale to 2021 when Chelsea won their 2nd Champions League, they would gain a 2nd dynasty star.\u00a0 This is because by 2021, Chelsea would have won <strong>17<\/strong> trophies out of <strong>68<\/strong> possible which is exactly <strong>25%<\/strong> and just holds onto the trophy dominance star though this would have been lost by 2022 and the dynasty would have ended in 2023.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5160\" src=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-5-Dynasties.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1127\" height=\"207\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-5-Dynasties.png 1127w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-5-Dynasties-300x55.png 300w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-5-Dynasties-1024x188.png 1024w, https:\/\/marriott-stats.com\/nigels-blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Dynasty-5-Dynasties-768x141.png 768w, 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